Traffic Trades and Getting accepted

[lfhost]

Hey,

Whats your acceptance rate for arcade trading ?
Say you submit to 10 sites, how many do you see activate the trade?

How much traffic do you see wasted on those that never accept ?

I understand it could take 24-48hours to get approved on some sites and bigger sites dont like accepting the little guys and other just dont like the ATS-Plug-Helper system.

I was thinking of adjusting my traffic system to only activate the trade once it seems traffic coming in and then alot the initial credits.

But that could kill a trade before it starts as you would never see activity.

Whats your thoughts ?

Ive submitted my 2 newest sites to say 20 or so trades in the last 24hours so currently waiting to see where the traffic comes in from. Atm only a handful of sites have begun accepting.

How long do you wait before killing a trade ?

Do you delete completely or just suspend the trade ?

Would you change your tracking system to autosuspend ?

What happens if your actively trading but the other trader has suspended or deleted your trade with no communication ?

Would you add an auto email notification to admin/trader of this change or just dont tell them ?

Just throwing my thoughts around, as this is why I stopped actively trading in the past lol.

Thanks for listening to my rant :P

[Stephan]

I accept everybody so long he send something and not lower than 30% conversation rate. These I check after the site send more than 500 trades.
I also check new signups how much traffic they show on their stats, and after this I add some extra credits, 20 – 50 and also the trade rate up to 150% not to kill the trade.
Soon I will add a signup rule. So I accept trades only after they send 20 trades, to avoid the people who just take and note give.
Your questions:
How long do you wait before killing a trade ?
I kill trades only if they try to cheat me or the conversation is very low, but then its mostly cheating again.

Do you delete completely or just suspend the trade ?
Completely delete.

Would you change your tracking system to autosuspend ?
To send a info mail to admin is good, but to suspend somebody this must be done from human and not from a script. You need to check what’s going on.

What happens if your actively trading but the other trader has suspended or deleted your trade with no communication?
No problem for me, his trade account will run out of credits and the trade stops. I always check trade sites before I add new credits. Some sites can’t send back what you send them, but if I know the owner works on the site hard to get it up, I send sometimes a little more to help on this.

Would you add an auto email notification to admin/trader of this change or just dont tell them ?
What change? Suspension because he cheat? No mail, just click ban and delete.

[lfhost]

Hey Stephan,

Thanks for the reply,

If you completely delete, what happens if a trader wants to dispute over stats? As you would only have GA and not what is tracked/conversion etc?

For the autosuspend, I meant more say after 5 days they have not sent any traffic, but they still have credits left, you could waste clicks on this trade and might not seem them back.
Autosuspending the trade could save some lost clicks and then you can review/reactivate the trade if needed (mails could be sent out to both admin/trader as a warning)

Or do you mean, you would send out warning emails and then manually suspend an account?

Obviously, they autounsuspend would need to be in place if they started sending traffic again so issues are offset.

What happens if your actively trading but the other trader has suspended or deleted your trade with no communication?
No problem for me, his trade account will run out of credits and the trade stops. I always check trade sites before I add new credits. Some sites can’t send back what you send them, but if I know the owner works on the site hard to get it up, I send sometimes a little more to help on this.

It might run out of credits, but nothing is then tracked there end if deleted.
But unless your constantly monitoring trades, it could be missed if they have outstanding credits (alot) so again could waste clicks on dead/removed trades.

Would you add an auto email notification to admin/trader of this change or just dont tell them ?
What change? Suspension because he cheat? No mail, just click ban and delete.

This was in relation to deleting/suspending trades (where you are the one suspending/deleting trades)

Would you notify the infringing site, or just delete/suspend ?
I dont mean for cheaters (they obviously get deleted)
But those that havent started trading, no traffic in days, bad conversion rate ?

As I think some trades could be rectified if sites communicated with each other on issues. But alot dont and do just delete/suspend sites and traffic is still wasted.

[Stephan]

I don’t delete sites who just don’t send traffic anymore, maybe one day they come back and send something. The script doesn’t send traffic to them as the account is 0 anyway. So there is also no need to send a warning mail to somebody. Cheaters get deleted without discussion.

You say “if there are credits left after 5 days”
If you trade on a good way, there will be no credit left after a couple of hours if the other stops sending traffic, and if I add extra credits, then this partner will not be somebody who starts trading yesterday.

[lfhost]

I guess im just looking at making the system do alot of the inspection work instead of monitoring stats manually lol.
But I will hold off on it for now, I might add admin triggers so I take note on things.

Yes, most trades will use there credits quick, but in the strange cases where theres credits left and you havent filled them, but has been deleted on the other end then its wasted traffic.
It could be at this point that we are the bad trader in this respect as we havent paid off the respected traffic.

But the sites atm arent that large traffic wise, so am just theorising things so if needed I can put in more protection :P
Want to try to make the most out of the traffic and keep productivity high.

[Stephan]

Yes, most trades will use there credits quick, but in the strange cases where theres credits left and you havent filled them, but has been deleted on the other end then its wasted traffic.

But still you own him traffic, so you should send it back and not keep it!

[lfhost]

Im not saying thats what I do, but have seen it done before.

[songkhoon]

normally I will suspend a link if the site never send any link to me within a month.
recently I found that many site are inject their link into my site, I hate the people try to cheat me, so I will never ever add them!

[gubugnet]

In general when someone signs up on my site(s) I will add a few credits in an attempt to get the trade going. How much I add is based on what I read about the site at alexa + how much I actually see that webmaster participating in forums etc and promoting his site. As Stephan has said when there are no credits left my script will stop trading because there is no traffic to exchange. Sometimes I have SO MANY plugs for a site that the AI on my script will force out a few clicks because a rarely played game gets played and there is a chance to send out traffic and this will often leak traffic to an inactive partner. There is not much lost that way and if it becomes an issue I will suspend that partner so as not to leak the traffic.

However I rarely delete anyone outside of cheaters as once again I agree with Stephan and sometimes guys will come back and trade again with me later so it is nice to have all the work I have done on that trade still in my database. Also because of the inaccuracy of trading hits I dont often look at the numbers alone as gospel instead I try to factor in the individuals behind the sites. As an example there are people who are good at networking ( BTW it is easy to be good at this ) all you have to do is go around trying to make mutually beneficial situations with as many people online as possible in your niche that you can trust who will do the same for you.

Some guys like Jason C for example will often add my game if I ask him and I would gladly do the same for him. Guys like Stephan will often exchange content and we have worked together many times. Also I know that Stephan is passionate about his arcades and will work them hard and consistently so when looking at numbers these are things to factor in with those numbers and there is no easy way to automate this sadly. After all it is trading and some of any kind of trading is an art that can only be expressed by human interpretation.

[lfhost]

Heya gubugnet,

Thanks for providing some feedback :P

But what I am finding atm, is those that I have setup with (by going through different sites stat pages of those sending active trades)
Ive signed up, but dont get any activation there end. Ive given 15 credits just to show I can send traffic, but 3/4 have not activated the trade.

finding out who runs the actual sites could only really be done through whois. But theres no guarantee they will respond.

So to me, this is wasted traffic and if it continues, I will suspend the trade, but still track things to see if they are ever repaid.
But monitoring this could become exhaustive, but an automated way by setting variable rates could help.
You will always get - credits, as they could come in through link outs like out.php?id=1
even though your not sending plug trades, you could be sending out direct traffic.

I could put in a block for as long as they have credits or have sent traffic today, then they will show.
I do this I believe on the top 10, but not on the full stat list page.

I understand building up a network with other webmasters can help and I do network with some traders, but alot ive never talked with.

But im always learning new ways to trade and improve things, so im open to all feedback.

Just looking at ways to take out the manual part of trading that could be offset to trigger actions either manual or automated.

I send myself daily stats on reset via email anyway, so I can track back everything they have sent/received daily.

It might be wiser, not to import plugs until the trade is active.